Time is a concept. Deterioration a percept. Deterioration exists outside the concept of time. Without the needlesly imposed concept of time, the past and future becomes the present?
The premise of the statement is debatable but probable true depending on the definitions of certain words. As someone who believes in a created universe (which includes time) by a God who is outside of this creation (including time), I am also somebody who is willing to accept that the heart of the thought is true and that the past and the future are the present in that they can be observed at once from the outside. The below is not necessary a refuting but rather a discussion because I am still undecided on the matter.
I think I will write in point form rather than fluidly because I am so tired. The below points are not in any order and are just late night responses to the blog entry entitled "somebody please refute".
1/ I think that once a concept is imposed to the extent that we (we being humans or God) have imposed the concept of time it becomes an actual thing rather than a concept (with time being a "thing" that can be measured). Just as length and bredth are measurable, time too is measurable and so is more than a concept. Perhaps it is the units that we measure time (seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries) that are concepts.
2/ Within a period of time something can be deteriating but it can also be growing or florishing or improving. This means that if time IS a concept it must be defined more as the measuring of the duration of existence rather than just the measurement of deteriation. This definition is limited too if you believe (as I do) that things can exist outside of the dimension of time.
3/ Just as with other measurable dimension (such as length, width, height, bredth, weight) God is outside of every part (unit of measuring) of the dimension of time. This is the nature of the eternal and of the spiritual and it cannot be otherwise because if it were God would be limited by something that He (or we) created. It has been said that he is outside of time and that this is why He is able to make a sacrifice for our sins through the actions of Jesus before we even came into existence. It is also how he can have foreknowledge.
4/ If time is a measurable dimension that exists all at once as argued in your premise and agreed on by me then the logical conclusion is that we should be able to travel around in this dimension... esspecially if we believe that (once having coming into existence) we, like God, are eternal and spiritual beings. If we can travel in space (as we obviously can) then we can probably travel in time.
5/ There are things that exist outside of any measurable dimension. Examples of these include spiritual beings and ideas. Some things have limited measurable dimensions such as anti-matter (no length or weight but perhaps still measurable in the time department).
6/ The notions of past, present and future are merely products of the concept of (measurable or unmeasurable) time. They are markers on the ruler that we measure time (the duration of existence) by.
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The premise of the statement is debatable but probable true depending on the definitions of certain words. As someone who believes in a created universe (which includes time) by a God who is outside of this creation (including time), I am also somebody who is willing to accept that the heart of the thought is true and that the past and the future are the present in that they can be observed at once from the outside. The below is not necessary a refuting but rather a discussion because I am still undecided on the matter.
I think I will write in point form rather than fluidly because I am so tired. The below points are not in any order and are just late night responses to the blog entry entitled "somebody please refute".
1/ I think that once a concept is imposed to the extent that we (we being humans or God) have imposed the concept of time it becomes an actual thing rather than a concept (with time being a "thing" that can be measured). Just as length and bredth are measurable, time too is measurable and so is more than a concept. Perhaps it is the units that we measure time (seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months, years, decades, centuries) that are concepts.
2/ Within a period of time something can be deteriating but it can also be growing or florishing or improving. This means that if time IS a concept it must be defined more as the measuring of the duration of existence rather than just the measurement of deteriation. This definition is limited too if you believe (as I do) that things can exist outside of the dimension of time.
3/ Just as with other measurable dimension (such as length, width, height, bredth, weight) God is outside of every part (unit of measuring) of the dimension of time. This is the nature of the eternal and of the spiritual and it cannot be otherwise because if it were God would be limited by something that He (or we) created. It has been said that he is outside of time and that this is why He is able to make a sacrifice for our sins through the actions of Jesus before we even came into existence. It is also how he can have foreknowledge.
4/ If time is a measurable dimension that exists all at once as argued in your premise and agreed on by me then the logical conclusion is that we should be able to travel around in this dimension... esspecially if we believe that (once having coming into existence) we, like God, are eternal and spiritual beings. If we can travel in space (as we obviously can) then we can probably travel in time.
5/ There are things that exist outside of any measurable dimension. Examples of these include spiritual beings and ideas. Some things have limited measurable dimensions such as anti-matter (no length or weight but perhaps still measurable in the time department).
6/ The notions of past, present and future are merely products of the concept of (measurable or unmeasurable) time. They are markers on the ruler that we measure time (the duration of existence) by.
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